Razgovor Wikipedija:Administratori/Prijedlozi za administratore/Neptune, the Mystic, Koreanovsky: razlika između inačica
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:I would also like to know if SG could cite a rule wihin hr.wiki that forbids once yellow carded users to be a candidate for admin role. Also, even if the rule exist (and it does not) it should have been invoked before the voting started, because now we have an admin, elected by the community, disputed by the bureaucrat clearly overstepping his authority. In my opinion, one or the other should be stripped of their roles. This whole situation reminds me of the current US president Trump trying to overrule the electoral vote by bogus legal claims. And he failed, it seems.
:Hypothetically, If hr.wiki community comes to a decision to get rid of certain admins because of the i.e. meta talk in progress, it could be argued that numerous blocks by disputed admins on may talk page are in fact the badges of honor and that I'm just the perfect candidate for adminship. And what then? Opposing admins could then disqualify me on the same grounds for which I would be deemed preferable by the community. It would be a de facto dictatorship in disguise. [[Suradnik:Imbehind|<b style="display:inline; color:#F0C018; background:black; padding:1px 2px 1px 4px;">Imbe</b>]][[Razgovor sa suradnikom:Imbehind|<b style="display:inline; color:black; background:#F0C018; padding:1px 4px 1px 1px;">hind</b>]] 16:51, 25. studenoga 2020. (CET)
::{{s|Martin Urbanec}}, while You are here, I have some pleads for You. Please restore the admin tools to admin Vodomar. He was stripped of the tools not by the valid will of the community, but by the personal action of an steward. If the steward thought that that was the wheel war, then to my opinion, best solution was not to strip the tools to anyone at all, but to try to mediate with words. Unfortunately, steward took one side and took the tools off from only one involved admin. That is a biased gunmen solution, not the mediation. In the worst case, he had to strip off the tools to both for 1 week until the things WP:COOL down, although I find that stewards have no right to such action. Now our admin Vodomar has no tools and can not maintain the project.
::Martin, Vodomar had a reason to block them. Isn't that suspicious that wikideadmen appear after 6 years of inactivity and, strangely, they know so much details? One of those wikideadmen were very rare active (mostly talkpages, promotion of political agenda [https://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Posebno:Doprinosi&dir=prev&offset=20140710171454&limit=500&target=Kanikosen&namespace=all&tagfilter=&start=&end=] that denigrates Croatian Homeland War and Croatian judicial system) before that inactivity: however, they do dare to rudely trollishly accuse our former checkuser. Do You think that they can say calumny and get away with it just like that?
::Second, Martin, You said that as a bureaucrat, that Speedy is a representative of the community, and has the responsibility to assess and enact community's consensus, and that he ''does not'' have the power to ''alter'' the consensus, because that's far away from bureaucrat's responsibilities. We have valid consensus of the community, and some inactive users seem to be immunized from the stripping off of the tools, although they are highly inactive and they game the system with alibi-edits. Also, we have an elected checkuser, still waiting to get the tools. Stewards must implement the valid community decision, although they may dislike it.
::Further, I know what I and 37 other users have been accused. By mere match of 400 km wide geographical area and nothing more in cause of allegation (by user that does not write new articles), me and 37 articlewriters were condemned. Next time You visit Croatia in the area from Rab to Prevlaka and log on to wiki, consider Yourself suspicious.
::One may say that "that steward found 'technical evidence'" blah blah. They will not convince me. I know who I am and I do not take credits of others' work. This reminds me on one epizode of Star Trek ''Chain of Command'', when Cardassians captured captain Picard and held him prisoned, examined and tortured. The investigator showed his captive four bright lights, and demanded that Picard answer that there are five, inflicting intense pain on Picard if he does not agree. I recognize similar pattern here; of course, there is no inflicting of physical pain, but there are methods of pressure, allowing one side to do what they want (no matter how daring, presumptuous, reckless, contumelious, cynical and disrespective), while punishing the other whatever they do (and intimidating anywone who dares to agree with them). And of course, to blame, condemn and cancel Kubura (and 37 other users as collateral damage as a part of agenda of elimination of politically unwanted admin) by any means and to brainwash the community to believe in the allegation: i.e. to convince others that there are five lights. [[Suradnik:Kubura|Kubura]] <small>([[Razgovor sa suradnikom:Kubura|razgovor]])</small> 21:24, 25. studenoga 2020. (CET)
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