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--[[Suradnik:Vhorvat|Vhorvat]] <small>([[Razgovor sa suradnikom:Vhorvat|razgovor]])</small> 02:08, 15. svibnja 2020. (CEST)
== Too light finger on the trigger ==
I read this [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lasta/CU38][https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Checkuser&oldid=20626401]. None of this statistical mumbo-jumbo proves anything. <br>
I do not match with those other users. No IP match, no same UA, no temporal coincidence. I rarely coincide with the topics that those users write. If I coincide, that's because I maintain the project or because I sometimes join on the topic. Lasta his hypothesis presents as truth and explains it with the arguments that he falsely presents as correct; it is like saying "Kubura is a turtle because the Earth is flat". Read again. He said nothing. Just the description of numbers that says nothing. "Roses are red, violets are blue, 5 is more than 4, that makes 20%, Kubura is guilty". <br>
If IP ranges overlap, that is in range A.B.0.0. to A.B.255.255. My ISP has several IP ranges for the 400 kilometres long region. And, by the way, Lasta is also from that region, from that very city, as well as Mosorska gušterica (edit pattern of Argo Navis), Edgar Allan Poe, Direktor, etc. Ask Youself: how are You sure that it is not them? No, Lasta does not use other ISP or computer or VPN, he just described that on the request for CU.<br>
Which was the criteria that You used to qualify me and other colleagues as "likely", "possible", "not likely"? Which method did You use? Bean or chicken bones? Anything, just to blame the accused?<br>
What kind of behaviour is that when the accused user has no write to defend himself? <br>
I got permablocked as a kind of vandal, on Wikidata and now on Meta. <br>
You gave me no chance to defend myself. [[Suradnik:Kubura|Kubura]] <small>([[Razgovor sa suradnikom:Kubura|razgovor]])</small> 22:15, 16. studenoga 2020. (CET)
== A request for revision of "findings" ==
Similar message is posted on my talkpage on Wikidata.<br>
Suspicion is just a suspicion, and nothing more. What are the technical evidences? Similar geographic area in radius of 400 kilometres? Over million subjects; counting the fact that there're also business subjects and non-residents that works there, the number of subjects rises. With the fact that most of Croatian editors are grouped in two cities, Zagreb and Split, over their actual share in Croatian population. And who was the accuser? The 10 years inactive user (who did not write 10 new articles from 2010 to 2020) from the same city as me who was caught by CU together with up to 90 users from the same IP-range (and many of them were mostly massively recategorizing, renaming the pages, inserting non-filling templates, new lines, typos, words in internal links <nowiki>word to [[word]]</nowiki>)? How can You be so sure that it is not him? Ordinary geolocation is not the argument. Man, that user holds a grudge against me for over 11 years! Over 11 years! Is that sane? He was keeping his tools from that by alibi-edits to avoid loss of tools by inactivity. And after 11 years he appears and starts a war.<br>
Man, I write about different topics than those users. They mutually differ. I was not there when they edited! What am I supposed to do? To be 24/7 on wiki? Ordinary is when You see a match in same time. What is this now? <u>Guilty when You are at the same time, guilty when You are not.</u> This here looks like millstone inquisition test, when the accusers put millstone around suspected witches' neck: if she gets drounded, she's not a witch, if she does not get drounded, then she's the witch and gets burned on bonfire. <br>
Finally, all my contribution on this project (Wikidata) was constructive. In total, 16 years on wiki, 16 years of loyalty, contionuos writing of articles, maintaing the project, fighting vandalisms, advicing, mediating, calming down the situation, profound explanating the matter on the talkpages, including sensitive topics. I exposed my reputation every time I edited. And why <u>to flush this down the toilet by a single block because of a mere suspicion that some other people from my geographic area were writing nice articles and I was not there</u>? Are we missing something? <br>
Whome do You trust: to a accuser-user that has not written neither 10 new articles in 11 years, who holds a grudge for that long time, who was not maintaining the project in these 11 years (alibi-edits are not the argument!), and online warrior that made wikipedia a battlefield, who wrote more of accusations on the Village pump in a single month than he wrote the mainspace articles 2009-2020? I usually daily write more new articles than my accuser wrote in whole period 2009-2020. All other users he accused wrote more new articles than him in that period.<br>
Man, people are true resource. True hardworking users are rare. <br>
[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Checkuser&diff=prev&oldid=20625216].<br>
The clairvoyancy is not the evidence (there is a breakdown on hr.wiki, done by domestic CU, with coded numbers [https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Zahtjev_za_provjeru_suradnika#Analiza_rezultate_pretrage][https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Zahtjev_za_provjeru_suradnika#Zaklju%C4%8Dak_4]). All those users write about different topics. Different UA, different IP, not there at the same time. Suspicion because of "similar geographic area" (and those IP's also cover major city in Croatia) leads to segregation. Anyway, see this. Steward obviously does not know how the servers here assign IP-address. They have their randomized way. <br>
For Your information, users of hr.wiki are not equally distributed geographically. They tend to group around capital city of Zagreb (pop. 806.341, add the "sleeping room" cities and small cities around it, it is more than a million) and the second city by population size, Split (pop. 178.192). The other big cities in Croatia (>100 k population) almost have no regular representative in 17 years (Rijeka barely 1, Osijek none, Zadar barely 1)! Population of Croatia is 4.058 millions. But, Zagreb (25% of Croatia) and Split (only 4,39% of Croatia) give the most of our users, by numbers and especially by activity. Split is especially overrepresented. Also add the fact that many seasonal and non-seasonal workers from NE Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina come to live and work area of Split and my whole IP range. <br>
Please this again [https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Zahtjev_za_provjeru_suradnika#Zaklju%C4%8Dak_4]. You don't see the actual IP's, but You will have a portion of insight what does CU see. To my opinion, the steward (or Meta's CU) just simply aggregated the "mostly grouped" groups of IP's into "suspicion groups". My IP-address is dynamic and it changes every time; it is assigned for 24 hours, if I remember well. If a disconnection happens, system assigns me the new one, not always from the same range, as You see. I am not able to choose it. The way steward (Meta's CU) put me into the V.W.x.x group with most users, it could have also put me into the the "rare group". More active colleagues appear in more other groups. <br>
If You want the breakdown by interest areas of suspected users, no problem. I will gladly do it. <br>
Also, I motivate people to join Wikipedia. It's a hard task. Only some join, many of them after a short period give up. Minority remains. Usually, it is easier to convince ''zemljak'' - someone from Your city or adjacent regions (most people I convinced are online). But they are not like me, I am unique. They appear periodically, with shorter presence when appear, while I am permanent with longer daily presence. To encourage and to educate people, it takes time. It is logical that then I am not on the hr.wiki, but chatting with friends, wiki or non-wiki related, on wiki or non-wiki topics. Sometimes I take a day(s) off. When I am on a shared computer, I also do not log to Wikipedia because that bears the risk of identity theft (permanent or "one-time"). At that time some other people are present (or not) on wiki, my countrymen or not. Absence is not the evidence for sockpuppetry. <br>
Also, I do not want to take the credit of other users' work. They are just my countrymen, that does not make them sockpuppets.<br>
I am not confirmed sockpuppeteer. I am newarticlewriter, article enricher. My articles were massively copied and translated across several other wikis, by local users from those wikis, in unchanged form. I am advicer. Teacher. Mentor. Maintainer. Mediator. Solver. Difficult issues solver. I put down the fire. I am not the vandal. I do not deserve this. [[Suradnik:Kubura|Kubura]] <small>([[Razgovor sa suradnikom:Kubura|razgovor]])</small> 22:15, 16. studenoga 2020. (CET)
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